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		<title>Anxiety over the spread of this new flu strain</title>
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This is not the type of thing I would normally blog on, but there seems to be a fair amount of chatter and mis-information about the new flu strain, happening in the chat rooms at worthychat. So, I have decided to put this information here, in order to have it readily available when the topic [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>This is not the type of thing I would normally blog on, but there seems to be a fair amount of chatter and mis-information about the new flu strain, happening in the chat rooms at worthychat. So, I have decided to put this information here, in order to have it readily available when the topic comes up.</p>
<p>Well, there are some things that people should consider before going nut or getting panicky. First of, this is not a pandemic at this time, it is pre-pandemic, and perhaps will be pandemic . . .</p>
<p>However, we have pandemics from time to time, and they are not always scary things, but they are cause for concern.</p>
<p>Here is what I think people should keep in mind as they hear the stories of death, that will likely happen . . .</p>
<p>Reagular seasonal flu, that we are all familiar with, causes deaths aslo. In the United States, we typically have 36,000 deaths a year from seasonal flu, with no less that 800 deaths each week since the beginning of this year EACH WEEK.</p>
<p>World wide, the estimates run from 1/4 million to 1/2 a million deaths from regular flu each year. Keep those numbers in mind as you here the numbers from this new strain of flu that is making the headlines. I think the spread of fear through the internet, is way more unusual than the spread of flu from person to person.</p>
<p>I do not know about other parts of the world, but in the states, 90% of flu deaths occur in people over 65 years of age.</p>
<p>So, so far, this new strain of flu is spreading quickly, but it has not demonstrated itself to be any more dangerous that regular seasonal flu at this time, but being a new stain, we do knot know alot about the strain yet, and since it is not flu season, se also do not know if it will become worse when flu season arrives, or whether infections will taper off, we basically just don&#8217;t have enough infomation on this particular flu to make intelligent projections, butwe also do not kno enough to panic over it either.</p>
<p>Information provided believed accurate as of April 30, 2009</p>
<p>Information derived from CNN, Center for Disease Control, and pandemicflu.gov website</p>
<p>BTW 109 cases of this so far in the U.S. with 1 death to date - that being in the state of Texas</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Following is an archive of  a Bible study I gave in Worthychat on 4/15/2006. Especially relevant as we meditate on the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following is an archive of  a Bible study I gave in Worthychat on 4/15/2006. Especially relevant as we meditate on the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord.</p>
<p>Not a lot of preface to this one. Let&#8217;s just say it reveals God&#8217;s inpiration of the scriptures, and demonstrates the value of careful study. I call it <span style="color: #ff0000;"><big><strong>FlashBack to the Future. </strong></big></span></p>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Matt 27:33-50</strong></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em>33 And when they had come to a place called Golgotha, which means Place of a Skull, 34<br />
they gave Him wine to drink mingled with gall; and after tasting it, He was unwilling to<br />
drink. 35 And when they had crucified Him, they divided up His garments among themselves,<br />
casting lots; 36 and sitting down, they began to keep watch over Him there. 37 And they<br />
put up above His head the charge against Him which read, &#8220;THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF<br />
THE JEWS.&#8221; </em></strong></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><strong> </strong></span></div>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong> </strong></span></p>
<p><strong></strong></p>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em>38 At that time two robbers were crucified with Him,<br />
one on the right and one on the left. 39 And those passing by were hurling abuse at Him,<br />
wagging their heads, 40 and saying, &#8220;You who are going to destroy the temple and<br />
rebuild it in three days, save Yourself! If You are the Son of God, come down from the<br />
cross.&#8221; 41 In the same way the chief priests also, along with the scribes and elders,<br />
were mocking Him, and saying, 42 &#8220;He saved others; He cannot save Himself. He is the<br />
King of Israel; let Him now come down from the cross, and we shall believe in Him. 43<br />
&#8220;He trusts in God; let Him deliver Him now, if He takes pleasure in Him; for He said,<br />
&#8216;I am the Son of God.&#8217;&#8221; 44 And the robbers also who had been crucified with Him were<br />
casting the same insult at Him.</em></strong></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em>45 Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour. 46 And<br />
about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, &#8221; Eli, Eli, lama<br />
sabachthani? &#8220;that is,&#8221; My God , My God , why hast Thou forsaken Me? &#8221; 47<br />
And some of those who were standing there, when they heard it, began saying, &#8220;This<br />
man is calling for Elijah.&#8221; 48 And immediately one of them ran, and taking a sponge,<br />
he filled it with sour wine, and put it on a reed, and gave Him a drink. 49 But the rest<br />
of them said, &#8220;Let us see whether Elijah will come to save Him.&#8221; 50 And Jesus<br />
cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.</em></strong></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em> </em></strong></span></div>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em> </em></strong></span></p>
<p><strong><em></em></strong></p>
<p>Matthew does not give us a very detailed description of the crucifixion. Jesus said a<br />
number of things from the cross, among them, the following, as reported by Luke:</p>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">Luke 23:34</span></strong></em></div>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">&#8220;Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.&#8221;</span></strong></em></div>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">Luke 23:43</span></strong></em></div>
<p><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">&#8220;Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise .&#8221;</span></strong></em></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>Luke 23:46</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>&#8220;Father, into Thy hands I commit My spirit.&#8221; And having said this, He breathed<br />
His last.</strong></em></span></p>
<p><em><strong><br />
</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong></strong></em></p>
<p>You are probably familiar with these sayings, and their contexts. I am assuming that Matthew, had a reason for leaving these sayings out, he surely was aware of them, or perhaps God had a reason for Matthew omitting them.  So, what reason could Matthew have for focusing on the saying, &#8220;Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani&#8221;? Could it be that there is something here, that is more important, of a differing importance? Is Jesus, in crying out, &#8220;My God, My God, why have you forsaken me&#8221; experiencing a moment of doubt? Is His faith wavering? Does there seem to be an element of accusation in these words?</p>
<p>It is clear, from Jesus&#8217; conversations with his disciples, that He fully understood His mission. He knew that He was to die, He knew it would be hard, and He knew it had to be done.  Jesus did not doubt, whatever does not come from faith, is sin, and Jesus never sinned:</p>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em>Rom 1:17</em></strong></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em>17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written,<br />
&#8220;But the righteous man shall live by faith.&#8221;</em></strong></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em> </em></strong></span></div>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em> </em></strong></span></p>
<p><strong><em></em></strong></p>
<p>Jesus was always a righteous man, He always lived by faith.</p>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">Rom 14:23</span></strong></em></div>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith ; and<br />
whatever is not from faith is sin.</span></strong></em></div>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;"> </span></strong></em></div>
<p><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;"> </span></strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong></strong></em></p>
<p>Jesus never sinned, so everything He did, He did not do in doubt. He was tempted, but never sinned.</p>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">Heb 4:15</span></strong></em></div>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who<br />
has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin .</span></strong></em></div>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;"> </span></strong></em></div>
<p><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;"> </span></strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong></strong></em></p>
<p>We can see, that Jesus was not doubting at all, so why did He ask why God was forsaking Him?</p>
<p>I think the answer lies not in the content of what He was saying, but the source of the saying. I think also, you will see why Matthew thought this saying was uniquely important.</p>
<p>Time for a flashback:</p>
<p>Ps 22:1 says:</p>
<p><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">My God, my God , why hast Thou forsaken me?</span></em></strong></p>
<p>Sound familiar? That is right, Jesus is quoting the words of a Psalm, why would He do that, why this psalm? When Jesus was crucified, He was crucified in Jerusalem, in the land of Israel, the homeland of the children of Abraham, God&#8217;s chosen people, the keepers of the written word of God. A Jew, on that day, might upon hearing those words, know the<br />
source, that they came from this Psalm. The more learned ones, may even have been able to recall the context of the words and gone over them in their minds. If so, what would they recall?</p>
<div><strong><span style="color: #800000;">Ps 22:6-8</span></strong></div>
<div><strong><span style="color: #800000;">6 But I am a worm, and not a man,</span></strong></div>
<div><strong><span style="color: #800000;">A reproach of men, and despised by the people.</span></strong></div>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800000;">7 All who see me sneer at me;</span></strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>They separate with the lip, they wag the head, saying,</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>8 &#8220;Commit yourself to the LORD; let Him deliver him;</strong></span></p>
<p><strong></strong></p>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>Let Him rescue him, because He delights in him.&#8221;</strong></em></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong> </strong></em></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong> </strong></em></span></div>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong> </strong></em></span></p>
<p><em><strong></strong></em></p>
<p>Compare the words above with those of Matthew:</p>
<p><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">39 And those passing by were hurling abuse at Him,<br />
wagging their heads,</span></em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">43 &#8220;He trusts in God; let Him deliver Him now,<br />
if He takes pleasure in Him</span></em></strong></p>
<p>See any similarities? Do you think it is possible, that some of those present, might<br />
have noticed this? I think that is possible, even likely. Perhaps, some went home, deeply<br />
troubled by the events that had just unfolded. They would never forget this. Perhaps some<br />
would take the trouble to examine this Psalm, when they had the opportunity, What else<br />
would they have seen?</p>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>Ps 22:12-18</strong></em></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>12 Many bulls have surrounded me;</strong></em></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me.</strong></em></span></div>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>13 They open wide their mouth at me,</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>As a ravening and a roaring lion.</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>14 I am poured out like water,</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>And all my bones are out of joint;</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>My heart is like wax;</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>It is melted within me.</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>And my tongue cleaves to my jaws;</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>And Thou dost lay me in the dust of death.</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>16 For dogs have surrounded me;</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>A band of evildoers has encompassed me;</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>They pierced my hands and my feet.</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>17 I can count all my bones.</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>They look, they stare at me;</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>18 They divide my garments among them,</strong></em></span></p>
<p><em><strong></strong></em></p>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong>And for my clothing they cast lots.</strong></em></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong> </strong></em></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong> </strong></em></span></div>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><em><strong> </strong></em></span></p>
<p><em><strong></strong></em></p>
<p>In the above passage, we see this person surrounded by strong aggressive men, snarling at Him, while He is poured out like water, His strength waning, his bones being pulled apart, heart is under stress, thirsting, and recognizing that He is about to die. While in this condition, the evil surround Him, having pierced His hands and feet. He can sense each of His bones in the agony, and while people are gawking at Him, those at His feet, gamble and divide His clothes.</p>
<p>I would like to think, that if I were a Jew at that time, having witnessed this spectacle, that when I read this passage in the Psalm, I would have said &#8220;Oh my God, I witnessed this that day. I was there, the words of this Psalm, were fulfilled in my presence&#8221;. I would hope, that I would have fallen to my knees, and begged for mercy. I suspect, that many did. I also suspect, that as Matthew&#8217;s gospel was spread, that there would be those who read it, who may also have been here that day, or been close to the events, who also would have had this reaction, I am confident, that those who were<br />
permitted to realize the significance, would also have sought God&#8217;s forgiveness, and received it, as people have hrough the centuries since.</p>
<p>One from that time, would have seen something else in that Psalm:</p>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">Ps 22:27-31</span></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD,</span></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">And all the families of the nations will worship before Thee.</span></em></strong></div>
<p><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">28 For the kingdom is the Lord&#8217;s,</span></em></strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em>And He rules over the nations.</em></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em>29 All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship,</em></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em>All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him,</em></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em>Even he who cannot keep his soul alive.</em></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em>30 Posterity will serve Him;</em></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em>It will be told of the LORD to the coming generation.</em></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em>31 They will come and will declare His righteousness</em></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong><em>To a people who will be born, that He has performed it.</em></strong></span></p>
<p><strong><em></em></strong></p>
<p>Pictured in the above passage of that psalm, we see the prediction that the church, that is to say that the future believers, who are gentiles, will turn from their pagan gods to the one true God. Of course, this turning to the Lord, was accomplished because the Messiah died for all men, and the faithfulness of Jesus apostles, in spreading the good news, led to the adoption of the gentiles, into the family of God, making the promise to Abraham come to fullness.</p>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">Gen 28:14</span></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">14 Your descendants shall also be like the dust of the earth, and you shall spread out to<br />
the west and to the east and to the north and to the south; and in you and in your<br />
descendants shall all the families of the earth be blessed.</span></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;"> </span></em></strong></div>
<p><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;"> </span></em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em></em></strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">It is my belief, that Jesus quoted this psalm, not in any doubt about His Father&#8217;s faithfulness, but was indeed making a powerful statement. It is as though He were saying, &#8220;look to the scriptures, you will see this, and you will know I AM He. &#8221; We can look today, and see this is clearly a prophecy, and a fulfillment. I believe, that this was a sign to believers, to the faithful, that they should be reassured, that the Son of Man, was supposed to die, something they were not expecting to happen to the Messiah, when He came. Otherwise, when Jesus died, they might doubt, and look for another as Messiah. This was NOT a sign to convince the unbelievers, they were to get a different sign, one more powerful than this one.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">In Luke 23:46, we saw Jesus breathe His last. Those close to Jesus, were in despair, devastated, disillusioned. Although Jesus told them, repeatedly that He would be soon dying, it  was not enough, they were ready to give up, and try to put this all behind them as if it was only a terrible nightmare. They didn&#8217;t understand some things that Jesus told them. So, they hurriedly put Jesus in a tomb, and went away in their grief. To mere men, the grave appears to be the end.  Jesus was no mere man. Remember I told you that the unbelievers would get a more powerful sign?</span></p>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">Matt 12:39-42</span></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">&#8220;An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign shall be given<br />
to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; 40 for just as Jonah was three days and three<br />
nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three<br />
nights in the heart of the earth. 41 &#8220;The men of Nineveh shall stand up with this<br />
generation at the judgment, and shall condemn it because they repented at the preaching of<br />
Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. 42 &#8220;The Queen of the South<br />
shall rise up with this generation at the judgment and shall condemn it, because she came<br />
from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, something greater<br />
than Solomon is here.</span></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;"> </span></em></strong></div>
<p><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;"> </span></em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em></em></strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">Jesus has here, predicted his death, burial and resurrection, and stated that this is the only sign He would give those included in the evil generation. We tend to think of a generation as a group of people born at approximately the same time. In Greek, is can mean that, or the age in which a generation lives, or a race of people. I have no idea which is implied here. The sign given to this generation, would be Jesus&#8217; resurrection after being in the earth 3 days. What Jesus went on to say, I think is very powerful, that Ninevah, would <strong><em>stand up</em></strong> (Greek anasteésontai, from the same root word that we understand as resurrection) with this generation, and condemn it at the judgement, because they repented and mere preaching of a prophet, but this generation did not believe, when the Son of God was among them, fulfilling prophecies and performing miracles.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">The resurrection is a powerful idea. All people have a common enemy, one that we cannot defeat. That enemy is death. People are born with a survival instinct. What people do not stop to consider, is that death is inevitable, and that the<br />
answer to the issue of survival, is to be able to survive after death. How would one know, if that were possible? The only real evidence that would at all be convincing, would be for some one to die and return back to life from the dead. They could not die as in having ones heart stop for a few minutes, that is not convincing, but really dead, all life<br />
functions gone, cold on a slab kind of dead. If I am going to listen to someone tell me that there is a life after death, I want his source of information to come from someone who has been there, that is authority.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">Where did the power come from for this resurrection?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Father ?</strong></span></p>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">Acts 2:23-25</span></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">23 this Man, delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed<br />
to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. 24 &#8220;And <span style="text-decoration: underline;">God raised Him up</span><span style="color: #800000;"> again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power. </span></span></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;"> </span></em></strong></div>
<p><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;"> </span></em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em></em></strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #400040;"><strong>Son</strong></span></p>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">John 10:14-18</span></strong></em></div>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">14 &#8220;I am the good shepherd; and I know My own, and My own know Me, 15 even as the<br />
Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 &#8220;And<br />
I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they shall<br />
hear My voice; and they shall become one flock with one shepherd. 17 &#8220;For this reason<br />
the Father loves Me, because <span style="color: #ff0000;">I lay down My life that I may take it again</span><span style="color: #800000;">. 18 &#8220;No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. </span><span style="color: #ff0000;">I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. </span></span></strong></em></div>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Holy Spirit ?</strong></span></p>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">Rom 8:11</span></strong></em></div>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised<br />
Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit<br />
who indwells you.</span></strong></em></div>
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<p>Amen to that, what a great verse! There we see the Spirit who raised Christ from the dead, also dwells in the believer, giving life to our mortal (temporary and subject to death) bodies. What does this mean to us? We started at the Crucifixion, and went backward to see a detailed prophecy concerning it, back forward again to the resurrection. We<br />
stopped there to see a small detail about the power of and behind the resurrection. Since tomorrow is resurrection Sunday, you will hear plenty about the resurrection itself.<br />
Now, it is time to go forward again to our present, to examine it&#8217;s significance to our lives today.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The resurrection is the very core of our belief as Christians.</span></p>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">1 Cor 15:12-19</span></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you<br />
say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the<br />
dead, not even Christ has been raised; 14 and i<span style="color: #ff0000;">f Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.</span> <span style="color: #ff0000;">15 Moreover </span><span style="color: #ff0000;">we are even found to be false witnesses of God</span><span style="color: #800000;">, because we witnessed against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17 and </span><span style="color: #ff0000;">if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.</span> 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.</span></em></strong></div>
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<p>It that passage Paul asserts that if the resurrection did not occur, then you are living your life in vain, with no chance of an afterlife, and, in fact, you are a liar about God and still lost in your sins. Not only is the fact of the resurrection necessary for for your afterlife, so is your belief in the resurrection:</p>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">Rom 10:7-10</span></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em><span style="color: #800000;">8 But what does it say? &#8220;The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart&#8221;<br />
— that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 <span style="color: #ff0000;">that if you confess with your</span><strong><em><span style="color: #ff0000;"> mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved</span><span style="color: #800000;">; 10 for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and </span><span style="color: #ff0000;">with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation</span><span style="color: #800000;">.</span></em></strong></span></em></strong></div>
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<p>This brings to life another important part of our walk, one that is ignored by too many, failure in this area, can never be justified if you are able. We need to confess not only for our own salvation, but we are to love others, as a responsibility to God, a small thing which He expects from us. Evangelism. Many do not do this, because they are shy,<br />
unconfident, not used to being pushy, or any number of other reasons. If God asks this of you, on what basis can you possibly refuse? We are told to love others as God also loved us. He loved us enough to die for us, but many of us, do not love Him enough to tell others about Him. Instead of loving our neighbors, we demonstrate contempt for them. By<br />
not telling them of our Savior, we are in effect saying, that we would rather have them spend eternity in torment, than for us to be uncomfortable for a few moments. What could be more selfish? What is more important than a soul, for whom Jesus died? It boggles the mind, that the church treats others this way. Yes, I am guilty too.</p>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">Rom 10:13-15</span></strong></em></div>
<div><em><strong><span style="color: #800000;">13 for &#8220;Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.&#8221; 14 How then<br />
shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him<br />
whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall<br />
they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, &#8220;How beautiful are the feet<br />
of those who bring glad tidings of good things!&#8221;</span></strong></em></div>
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<p>I put this part about evangelism for one simple reason. As I was researching the preparing for this study, I kept coming across evangelistic passages. It was not in my plan to include it, but I could not steer through the passages in a way that avoided it. So, I took the hint and decided that is was not to be avoided. Those passages are there to<br />
be read and to be accepted. Just as it would be unloving to not tell someone about the Savior, it would be unloving of me, to not encourage you to spread the word. Evangelism, is what a good and faithful servant does above all else. Christ didn&#8217;t die, to hear more worship songs. He didn&#8217;t die, so institutions would have more money given. He did not die, so people would do acts of charity. He did not die, so people would study the Bible. He died to save the lost. He died for us, and for everyone whom we have not told about Him.</p>
<p>After you attend your next church sevice, if not before, I&#8217;d ask you to consider, what Christ did for<br />
you. After meditating on that, ask yourself, &#8220;What am I willing to do for Him?&#8221;.<br />
Finally, consider following through on your answer.</p>
<p>May God richly bless you as you follow the Son.</p>
<p><strong>Postscript:</strong></p>
<p>That was the end of the study. However, after I gave this study, two attendees asked me if I knew about the worm. &#8221;</p>
<p>Know about the worm? What are you talking about?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You know, the worm in the psalm, the one where it says &#8220;I am a worm, and no man!&#8221;</p>
<p>They told be some things about some worm, which I found a bit unlikely, but being an investigator at heart, I looked into it. It was an interesting investigation. <a href="http://www.omegascripture.info/worthystudy/worm.html">You can read it here. </a>Again, just another evidence of the inspiration of scripture.</p>
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Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a man&#8217;s foes shall be those of his [...]]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="color: #CA226B;">Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a man&#8217;s foes shall be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.</span></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This passage struck me lately. Especially verse 37.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="color: #CA226B;">He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.</span></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ive been seeing a lot of people lately who dont want to give up things or people in their lives who lead them away from the Lord. Someone who is saved, but who has a rabidly antiChristian boyfriend who is shaking their faith. Someone who loves their fiance and is living with them, but wont stop that sin to follow the relationship with Christ.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jesus told us what the greatest commandment is in <strong><span style="color: #CA226B;">Matthew 22:36-38</span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="color: #CA226B;">Master, which is the great commandment in the Law? Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment.</span></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We say He needs to be first in our lives, but is He? Are we allowing someone or something to take precedence? Do we encourage new believers enough to put aside the things or lifestyle or even the people who come between them and the Lord? Is our heart and our focus on the Lord first?</p>
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Revelation 4:8-11
And each one of the four living creatures had six wings about  him , and within being full of eyes. And they had no rest day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God, the Almighty, who was and is and  is to come. And whenever the living creatures gave glory and honor and [...]]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Revelation 4:8-11<br />
And each one of the four living creatures had six wings about  him , and within being full of eyes. And they had no rest day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God, the Almighty, who was and is and  is to come. And whenever the living creatures gave glory and honor and thanks to Him who sat on the throne, who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fell down before the One sitting on the throne. And they worshiped Him who lives for ever and ever, and threw their crowns before the throne, saying, O Lord, You are worthy to receive glory and honor and power, because You created all things, and for Your will they are and were created.</strong>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In chat lately, many folks are using lower case letters for the name of Jesus and God. Some folks get upset when they see others calling God god. Others get upset when folks demand His name be capitalized. Is this really an issue to get upset over?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Jews revere His name so much, that they write G-d, since there are no vowels in the name YHWH in the bible. For fear of using His name irreverently, they call Him HaShem “The Name”.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do we diminish who He is when we neglect to capitalize His name? Do we have too casual a view towards our Lord that we cant even capitalize His name? Have Christians today in the US, and elsewhere, lost their reverence for the Holy Lord? Does that affect our faith? Questions to ponder.</p>
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		<title>Who am I?</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings and Blessings in Jesus Name, Brothers and Sisters!</p>
<p>It has been suggested to me that I let the reader know more about me so when we meet in chat, or on the boards, I will seem more like a friend then a  stranger.</p>
<p>I am a relatively quiet person, always have been.  I try to say as little as need be and be as clear as I can while doing so.  Even though I enjoy talking with people, I try to be direct.  In a crowd, you will find me usually watching the conversation instead of joining in.  Alone, I have no problem discussing issues of the heart.  Guess I am not into small talk much.  Been that way for my 55 years of life.</p>
<p>I was born and brought up in a small town in West Central New Hampshire where the population has a hard time reaching the 13,000 mark.  People here have that New England old fashion way about them.  We are quick to notice a difference but take our time discerning what we think on a matter, not rushing into judging if the difference is good or not.  Saying that, my town is trying to keep up with the times as the farms are disappearing and are being replaced with High Tech businesses and more housing.  The corn fields have been developed into plazas.  Our area is prime for growth with intersecting interstates, an airport, train station and Dartmouth College right up the road.</p>
<p>The landscape in my area consists of rolling hills and small mountains, barely reaching over 3,200 feet.  The Appalachian Trail runs just 5 miles north of town, through some beautiful scenic mountains as it winds its way North to the White Mountains and Maine, and South into the beautiful green rolling hills and mountains of Vermont.  There are many trails to hike everywhere.  Recently, mountain biking has become a popular sport.  Wildlife consists of Moose, Bear, Whitetail Deer, Red and Grey Fox, Bob Cats, Beaver, Mink, Fisher Cats, Weasels, Porcupines, Red and Grey Squirrels, Chipmunks, Rabbits, Snow Shoe Hares, and the all too feared Striped Skunk!  Oh yeah, I can&#8217;t forget to mention the mosquitoes and the famous black flies that frequent the damp late Spring and early Summer.</p>
<p>My family consists of my wife of 26 years, five children and three grandchildren.  We have been blessed with a Habitat for Humanity house that we helped build in 1994.  Through the process of building our home, I had the opportunity to make some life long friends, some that have moved on and others that still live in the area.  If you ever get a chance to help construct one of these homes, you will be well blessed for your efforts.  Since my house was finished, I moved on to help build many more.  Watching a dream come true for those who fall between the cracks leaves a lasting effect as you sit back and reminisce your memories of small children with smiles a mile long and parents who finally have something to work for.</p>
<p>I was a child of the 60&#8217;s, which would mean that I was a hippie who struggled with the moral issue of the Vietnam War.  After struggling with this issue for some time, I did join the service.  To my surprise, I enjoyed boot camp, but really disliked the rest of the service.  I guess that it was because what I really wanted to do was close to enlisted servicemen while I was in boot camp.  After my time was up, I headed out on the road hitchhiking across the US to see and do as much as I could while I could before I settled down to a family.  Yup, one of those long haired hippies with a knapsack standing on the side of the road with his thumb out.  Thank God that the world was a much nicer place back then.  People were not afraid to stop and offer others a ride.</p>
<p>After working in manufacturing for many years, I thought it would be nice to get into construction, so I ventured into the building trades until an unfortunate accident left me with a broken neck.  After recovery, I was informed that I needed to change my career, so Vocational Rehabilitation help me with school, where I went back at the age of 40 to get a degree in Computers and Business Management.  After colege, I ended up in an IT position where I was the all around fix-it technician, far from my degree, but lots of fun.  I worked with everyone in the company, from the President to the Mail Clerk.  I became the welcomed face to everyone, since they mostly saw me when I fixed their computer problem so they could proceed with their daily business.  It was normal for me to fix things cause I tinkered with cars all my life, and the &#8220;other job&#8221; I had to take in the service what a jet mechanic, specialized in Helicopter Jet Engines.</p>
<p>Today, I enjoy rock climbing, from bouldering to traditional climbing.  I am always at awe as I climb cliffs and view the beauty of Gods creation, sometimes, taking a moment to say &#8220;Hi&#8221; to a lizard that is cruising down what I am struggling to get up!  I love to watch hawks as they seem to float in mid air almost within reach.  Other then climbing, I enjoy biking down the Rail to Trails we have here and hiking the many trails to beautiful outcrops that offer splendid views of the surrounding area.  I use to be into Tae Kwon Do where I was into competition.  I had to stop competing after I was diagnosed with Hep. C and Fibromyalgia.</p>
<p>As for my walk with Christ, I do have a shortened version of my testimony here, <a href="http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Running-God-t70769.html">Running from God</a>.  I feel it is time to redo this and bring to light the full glory of God, who reached deep into the muck and mire of my sinful life to pull out a sinner like me.  I have had the pleasure to work in the helps ministry for some time now.  It is a blessing to help those who are where I once was, sharing the Love of the Lord with them and watch, over time, as the Holy Spirit works in their lives.  It has been only a little over a year that I have been blessed with the opportunity to be part of this online ministry.  Worthy Christian Forums is like a second home for me, where I have made many new friends, learned a lot and have shared some of what God has shown me.  WCF is a very diverse site where Brothers and Sisters from other denomination come to give glory to the one God we all share, and to witness to those who are searching for the meaning of life.  The blessings one receives from helping another find Christ, or help others find answers to critical questions, is beyond measure.  Please, take the time to get to know everyone here.  We all have a past, present and future.  Come share yours with us as we share ours with you.</p>
<p>Well, that is basically who I am.  Feel free to inquire where I have been vague or just stop by to say &#8220;Hi!&#8221;</p>
<p>The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.</p>
<p>In His Love,<br />
Your Brother In Christ,<br />
Alan, a.k.a. OneLight</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the first post in my blog. I have decided to come right out with what I believe concerning the Holy Spirit. I know that this is in an outline format, but if you have some patience with me, I will learn how to be more personal!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first post in my blog. I have decided to come right out with what I believe concerning the Holy Spirit. I know that this is in an outline format, but if you have some patience with me, I will learn how to be more personal!</p>
<p>God Bless Brothers and Sisters. It is my prayer that the Holy Spirit ministers onto to all who read.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><span style="font-size: x-large;">Holy Spirit</span></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Trinity – One God – Three Persons</em></strong><br />
Matthew 28:18-20<br />
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.</p>
<p><strong><em>Was Part of Creation</em></strong><br />
Genesis 1:1-2<br />
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.</p>
<p><strong><em>Part of Salvation</em></strong><br />
John 3:1-8<br />
There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”<br />
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”<br />
Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”<br />
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”<br />
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<strong>Promise from Jesus</strong></em><br />
John 14:12-21<br />
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it. “If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”</p>
<p><strong><em>As A Teacher</em></strong><br />
John 14:23-26<br />
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me. “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.</p>
<p><strong><em>Helper – Spirit of Truth</em></strong><br />
John 15:26<br />
“But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.</p>
<p><strong><em>Convicts – Guides</em></strong><br />
John 16:7-15<br />
Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.<br />
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.</p>
<p><strong><em>Gives Power</em></strong><br />
Acts 1:6-8<br />
Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”<br />
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<strong>Baptizes</strong></em><br />
Acts 2:1-4<br />
When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.<br />
Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p><strong><em>Comfort in Fear</em></strong><br />
Acts 9:26-31<br />
And when Saul had come to Jerusalem, he tried to join the disciples; but they were all afraid of him, and did not believe that he was a disciple. But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles. And he declared to them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. So he was with them at Jerusalem, coming in and going out. And he spoke boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus and disputed against the Hellenists, but they attempted to kill him. When the brethren found out, they brought him down to Caesarea and sent him out to Tarsus.</p>
<p><strong><em>Delivers from the Power of Flesh</em></strong><br />
Romans 8:1-39<br />
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?</p>
<p><strong><em>Righteous, Peace, Joy</em></strong><br />
Romans 14:16-17<br />
Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil; for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p><strong><em>Spirit of man vs. Spirit of God</em></strong><br />
1 Cor 2:10-16<br />
But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.<br />
These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.</p>
<p>2 Cor 5:17<br />
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.</p>
<p><strong><em>Washed, Sanctified, Justified</em></strong><br />
1 Cor 6:11<br />
And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.</p>
<p><strong><em>Body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit</em></strong><br />
1 Cor 6:19<br />
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?</p>
<p><strong><em>Gifts from the Holy Spirit</em></strong><br />
1 Cor 12:1-31<br />
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant: You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.<br />
There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills. For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. For in fact the body is not one member but many.<br />
If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased. And if they were all one member, where would the body be?<br />
But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.<br />
Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.</p>
<p><strong><em>Fellowship with</em></strong><br />
2 Cor 13:14<br />
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all.</p>
<p><strong><em>Conflicts between the Spirit and the flesh</em></strong><br />
Galatians 5:16-21<br />
I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.<br />
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.</p>
<p><strong><em>Fruits of the Spirit</em></strong><br />
Galatians 5:22-26<br />
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.</p>
<p><strong><em>Do Not grieve the Spirit</em></strong><br />
Ephesians 4:30-32<br />
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.</p>
<p><strong><em>Whole Armor of God</em></strong><br />
Ephesians 6:19-17<br />
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.<br />
Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;</p>
<p><strong><em>Wrote the Bible</em></strong><br />
2 Timothy 3:16-17<br />
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.</p>
<p><strong><em>Test the Spirits</em></strong><br />
1 John 4:1-6<br />
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.<br />
You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.</p>
<p><strong><em>Discerns the Spirit of the Antichrist</em></strong><br />
1 John 2:18-29<br />
Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.<br />
But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.<br />
Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.<br />
These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><strong>Is the Earth Old or Young ?</strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">No answers here, but some things to think about.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I hear this question frequently, but I always wonder what is in the mind of the person asking the question. Is the answer to this question important, and if so, why and in what ways?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">An unbeliever might like to pit the conclusions of modern scientists, who almost universally hold to the idea that the Earth is very old against the apparent assertions of the Bible that the Earth is relatively young. In other words, if the Bible says the Earth is young, and scientists say the Earth is ancient, then clearly the Bible is wrong and not to be believed.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A believer, on the other hand, might look at this problem and conclude, that the unbeliever has a point. Out of concern for the skepticism of the unbeliever, the believer might want to make it easier for the unbeliever to accept the Bible. Similarly, the believer may have his/her own doubts about this and so adopt the position, that the correct interpretation of the scriptures is that the Earth is old and in harmony with the consensus of scientists.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Personally, I believe the age of the Earth as it relates to an unbeliever is of little significance, and is usually either an excuse not to believe, or is a way of avoiding the important topic of the unbelievers salvation. As a believer addressing this issue with an unbeliever, I will point out that there are believers that hold both positions and that the real topic of concern is whether Jesus came to Earth, died for our sins, and was resurrected on the third day. That is the belief upon which our salvation rests, and any other topic pales in importance.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, I shall be addressing this topic from the stand point of the believer – what it means to us. Is it important what we believe? What should we believe?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What concerns me the most, is not what we believe in regards to this question so much as why we believe what we believe. A standard rule of biblical interpretation, is that we interpret the Bible literally, unless we are compelled to do otherwise. Some might make the case that the science is so compelling, that we have to interpret Genesis in some figurative way.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have to ask, what is it, that makes the science so compelling? I am a scientifically minded person, I run much of my daily life depending on ideas which science has observed and proven. Obviously, science has proven to be a powerful and useful tool. However, I think that the most trustworthy part of science, is the part where we can observe current phenomena, develop theories about the phenomena, and test those theories. When we begin to attempt to apply science to metaphysics – the spiritual part of our universe, science has left it’s realm of expertise. Topic of an historical nature – the issues of the formation of the universe, the development of life etc, science has also strayed from it’s expertise because it is attempting to guess what has happened in the past, from clues in the present. Most of the time, this will be of questionable reliability, since there is no way to repeat history in a test tube. It is gone, and not subject to examination.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What it comes down to then, in my opinion, is: “What do you trust more, the pronouncements<span> </span>of a demonstrably infallible God, or the pronouncements of demonstrably fallible men?” Now, to be certain, we can make mistakes in our interpretation of the Bible, so both methods have a risk of error. Never-the-less, I believe that the Christian who maintains that the Bible teaches or allows for and ancient earth, is knowingly electing to disbelieve the most natural literal interpretation of the Bible, in favor of the theories of men, derived from the natural sciences. Personally, if I am wrong in my assessment<span> </span>that the Earth might be quite young, I would rather have the clear conscience of taking God at His word and be in error than choosing to trust the dictates of men that God pronounces to be fools for their unbelief of Him.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is true that there are reputable scientists who believe in an old Earth and who profess to be Christians. I do not doubt that most of these men and women are saved, trusting Jesus for their salvation. I do find it very odd, however, that they are willing to trust God about the scientifically unlikely event of the His resurrection, upon which their salvation rests, but cannot find it within themselves, to take Him at His word with regards to issues of origins. In fact, I find it saddening.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As you have probably concluded, I am of a younger Earth persuasion. This is not to say that I believe that the Earth was created in 4004 B.C. as some assert. I note that the Bible never makes such a claim, and that this number is merely the result of calculations of a man who added up life spans and genealogies in the Bible. I have never checked his math, but in as much as the Jews were known to practice genealogies with gaps in them, recording more notable ancestors, it seems to me that there is some room for some extra time. In my estimation, all you can prove from the Bible about when the Earth was created, is that Adam, the first man, was created<span> </span>in 4004 B.C. or earlier. How much earlier, I have no idea. In other words, I do not believe the Bible makes any definitive statement on how old the Earth is. Having said that, can I prove there are gaps. Yes and no.<span> </span>The Bible as we know it, notes them itself, by comparing genealogies in some books versus others. In other words, different book describe ancestral lines with differing numbers of people in them. Therefore, some of these have to be incomplete, or else other have extra<span> </span>generations. If there are extras, then those passages are either untrue,<span> </span>or they are some sort of allegory. The do not appear to be allegory, so the most logical choice is that the others are not complete. If they are not complete, then we know that gaps were an allowable custom. Knowing that gaps are allowable, we can assume that all of the genealogies could contain gaps.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now, a little known and underdiscussed fact is, that the Hebrew text from which the 4004 B.C. creation date comes, is the Masoretic text, the major text underlying the translations of modern Old Testaments.<span> </span>However, copies of the manuscripts of the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew, predate the Masoretic text by about 350 years.<span> </span>Jesus and the apostles frequently quoted the Septuagint, so it is safe to assume it was thought reliable as the word of God. The geneologies of the Septuagint, if totaled in the same way that the 4004 B.C. Creation date was arrived at, push the creation date back to 5315 B.C.<span> </span>See how muddy and impossible it is to determine the date from the scripture?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">To me then, the Bible allows for an undetermined age of the Earth, and mankind is at least<span> </span>6000 years old (7300 if going by the Septuagint). Which brings us to the length of creation time passed before God made man.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Old Earth Theorists, will have to hold to the idea that the 5 days prior to the creation of man, are not 5 literal days, but days which are of undetermined lengths of time, even millions of years each. This is done to force the scriptures to harmonize with scientific conclusions. That people may choose to interpret the Bible according to the dictates of predominantly atheistic scientists,<span> </span>is their own business. However, I think that it sets a very dangerous precedent, which allows for changing the meaning of the word of God, to suit whatever belief is in fashion. This is already being done in other portions of scripture. For example, science is looking to find a genetic causation for the behavior of homosexuality. If a link can be found to exist between heredity and sexual orientation, then what will follow is a discounting of the biblical notion that the practice homosexuality is a sin.<span> </span>Now, that leap will not be a logical one, but the leap will be made, never-the-less. I could cite other examples, but this one will serve to illustrate the point. The point is that even if it can be proven that homosexuality is genetically caused, it still does not alter the fact that God calls it a sin to practice, just as He calls it a sin for heterosexuals to act their carnal desires outside of the man/woman marriage that He ordained.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For myself, I shall not ever use the temporary and ever-changing opinions of science to interpret the God inspired scriptures which never need adjustment, but that is just me. Many Old Earth Creationists are aware of the supremacy of God’s word, but just do not have enough faith in the most natural interpretation of scripture to overcome their faith in modern science. In such cases, I can understand that, but I wish more of them were honest about that fact that that is what the problem is. Sadly, many choose instead, to find that the traditional beliefs of Christianity are suspect an inferior.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It should not take any effort<span> </span>on my part, to convince anyone that the most natural interpretation of the creation days of genesis, is that they are 6 literal days. Nothing in the text suggests otherwise. Old earth creationists will go to great lengths to point out that the Hebrew word for day, does not always mean a literal, twenty-four hour day. They are absolutely correct on that point. This Hebrew word is “Yom”.<span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Gen 1:4-5</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">5 God called the light &#8220;day,&#8221; and the darkness he called &#8220;night.&#8221; And there was evening, and there was morning — the first day.<span> </span>(NIV)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The first thing to notice about the word<span> </span>“day” as used in the creation account, is that it comes to us pre-defined. The light God called day. We do the same thing to this day. Also, one light and dark cycle, is also called a day. Just like we do. The implications of this one verse are a monumental obstacle, to anyone who wishes to maintain the notion that a day in Genesis, represents a length of time<span> </span>of thousands or millions of years. For one thing, we see here that in context, the word day is used identically as it is normally used in modern English. The internal, literary evidence therefore points to the conclusion that God intended this portion of scripture to be understood as literal, that a day is simply one cycle of light, most likely, 24 hours long. To assume that something else is intended, is a gross violation of rules of interpretation, not only of the Bible, but for any document.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let’s suspend those rules momentarily, and allow for the idea that this day is, for example, not 24 hours, but one million years. Does this help Genesis square with modern scientific opinion? An interesting thing to note in the Genesis account, is that during this first day, the Sun has not yet been cause to shine upon the earth.<span> </span>The lightness and darkness that is cycling, is not sunlight. This gives some wiggle room because this light and dark, may not be dependant upon the rotation of the earth.<span> </span>We could say perhaps, that days were longer at that time. It get’s more difficult to maintain this notion though at creation day 4:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Gen 1:16-19</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">16 God made two great lights — the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning — the fourth day. (NIV)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If these days are not 24 hours long, and we go back to the idea that a day is one million years long, might it be that<span> </span>the light was on for 500,000 years during a light/dark cycle. Since the old Earth theory is done to accommodate scientific opinion, then we should be consistent and assess the implication of 500,000 years of light. Is this light of similar intensity to what we experience from the Sun? If so, what would the surface temperature of the Earth rise to? Would the plants (created on the third day) survive the temperatures? Could they survive 500,000 years of darkness and no photosyntheses?<span> </span>Interpreting the scriptures to accommodate scientific consensus, causes more problems that it solves.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We have seen that interpreting Genesis passage literally, makes the most sense from a literary perspective. We have seen that interpreting it in the light of science, makes the text into nonsense. What about this word Yom we touched on briefly, is there a reason to expect that it might mean other than 24 hours in the original Hebrew?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My Bible software reports that this word Yom occurs 2304 times in the Old Testament. That should be plenty of data to work with, to discover the likelyhood<span> </span>that Yom should be understood as some sort of age. How many times is Yom not 24 hours in the Bible?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here are examples of how it is used otherwise:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The span of human life. - Gen 5:4: &#8220;And the days of Adam &#8230;. were eight hundred years.&#8221; &#8220;And if thou wilt walk &#8230;. then I will lengthen thy days&#8221; (1 Kings 3:14; compare Ps 90:12; Isa 38:5).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(2) An indefinite time. - Existence in general: Gen 3:14: &#8220;All the days of thy life&#8221; (compare Gen 21:34; Num 9:19; Josh 22:3; Luke 1:24; Acts 21:10).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(3) A set time. - Gen 25:24: &#8220;And when her days &#8230;. were fulfilled&#8221;; Dan 12:13: &#8220;Thou shalt stand in thy lot, at the end of the days&#8221; (compare Lev 12:6; Dan 2:44).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(4) A historic period. - Gen 6:4: &#8220;The Nephilim were in the earth in those days&#8221;; Judg 17:6: &#8220;In those days there was no king in Israel&#8221; (compare 1 Sam 3:1; 1 Chron 5:17; Hos 2:13).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(5) Past time. - Ps 18:18: &#8220;the day of my calamity&#8221;; Ps 77:5: &#8220;I have considered the days of old&#8221; (of Mic 7:20; Mal 3:7; Matt 23:30).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(6) Future time. - Deut 31:14: &#8220;Thy days approach that thou must die&#8221;; Ps 72:7: &#8220;In his days shall &#8230;.&#8221; (compare Ezek 22:14; Joel 2:29; Matt 24:19; 2 Peter 3:3; Rev 9:6).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(7) The eternal. - In Dan 7:9,13, where God is called &#8220;the ancient of days.&#8221;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(8) A season of opportunity. - John 9:4: &#8220;We must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work&#8221; (compare Rom 13:12-13; 1 Thess 5:5-8). See DAY (4), above.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That was from the International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Copyright (c)1996</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">See anything there that suggests eons? Most of those uses are less that a human lifespan. Some, are referances to historical periods – in other words AFTER the creation of man. The one possible exception, is number 7 above, but it is a reference to God Himself, not his creation. In short, to say that the word Yom contains the potential to represent millions of years, is forcing a definition or use of it, that is so extreme compared to actual uses of the word, that it can be considered as nothing other than a desperate grasping at straws by those that lack the faith to take God at His word. If any choose to believe the unstable opinions of the sciences<span> </span>over the revelation of God’s word, I am okay with that, I really am. I just wish they would have the honesty to state that they feel the need to abuse the science of hermeneutics to satisfy their own uneasiness about God’s word, instead of trying to convince others that it is somehow justified or legitimate to force personal beliefs upon the interpretation of scripture. To quote Prof. James Barr from the <em>EXPOSITOR&#8217;S BIBLE: </em><strong>&#8220;</strong><span>If the word &#8216;day&#8217; in this chapter does not mean the period of 24 hours, the interpretation of Scripture is hopeless.&#8221;</span>.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Is the evidence too strong<span> </span>against the bible, or at least of a literal interpretation of it? Certainly if scientific consensus is going to be the determining factor concerning out faith and theology, we have to ask the question:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What about the resurrection. Scientific consensus would be that a man who dies, and remains dead for three days, stays dead.<span> </span>If God cannot defy the opinions of scientists, then no miracles happen, not now, not ever, and the resurrection never took place. If that is true, then Christianity is little more than a collection of interesting stories. If God is going to be limited to our understanding of the laws of nature, then why would we be wondering about the length of the creation period. A God without the power to do the miraculous, could not bring the creation into existence in the first place. If that creation did not happen, then why would we suspect that creation has an author at all, and without such and author, does sin really exist? Who gets to define what is sin and what is not, who decides how salvation is accomplished or if it is even necessary. Is there really even an afterlife? Apart from a revelation from a supernatural God, these things are all unknowable, and Christianity has no real value. It may not be critically important, how long creation took, but knowing that it took place, believing God by faith that it did, is important, and I have to wonder how much we really believe god, if we cannot trust Him to accurately describe and make plain, the details of His own creation.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Consider some of the implications of a lengthy creation. How does it affect other beliefs or statements from the bible? Do other passages make reference to the creation events – do we call them into question? Did Jesus or the apostles mention anything about the creation account that would leave you to believe that they took it literally – if so, how does that affect their credibility? If we can choose to ignore a literal interpretation in Genesis – do we then grant ourselves the same license in other parts of the Bible – if so, how will you know where and when?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">These are questions each person must address and consider. While science has century by century, worked to discover how the universe works, each generation of scientists has seen major scientific opinions come and go. Each generation of scientists indeed, has at it’s disposal, new knowledge and new tools to investigate the natural world. Each generation has advanced the collective knowledge of mankind, and each has refuted theories held dearly by collegues of previous generations, and yet, after thousands of years, is still seeking answers to fundamental question, answers that are elusive.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Meanwhile, the Christian is able to hold the same views as Jesus and the apostles expressed 2000 years ago, with no need to apologize for any of them. The 20<sup>th</sup> Century saw the sciences advance at a tremendous rate, but as theories about origins and cosmology became more refined and old once discarded as obsolete, we found that the theories of prevailing science, are looking more like the bible all the time. Of course, science cannot truly address origins and cosmology ultimately, because those things are outside of it’s scope of examination. Science works in the present, it examines present clues about past events. The past is not like electricity or chemisty, it cannot be replicated or examined directly. Science is even more at a disadvantage, to look into matters of a spiritual nature. Science examines natural phenomena, the supernatural is outside it’s pervue. Still, it is interesting to observe that scientists seem to be edging their way toward beliefs that the bible expressed all along. Considering that the bible is not intended to be a science text book, it is remarkable how many scientific facts it got right before scientists would discover them.</p>
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